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  I am confused on the JW's 1000 year reign doctrine. Please explain it to me.

  by booker-t in

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  2. experiences

  i have always thanked randy/dogpatch for creating free-minds because i always felt i was the only one that felt that jw's were teaching some nonsense.

  i admit i still think they got some of their teachings correct but one doctrine i think is full of bologne is the 1000 year reign doctrine.

  if jesus came into power in 1914 and now it is 2014 does that mean jws believe it will only be a 900 year reign?

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  Nathan Natas

  Please call your local Kingdumb Hall and request a Free Home Bible Study.
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  The EBOLA conspiracy...

  by gopher123 in

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  hey guys.

  there has been a ton of illuminati hollywood mind control pre-programming about this virus outbreak before it actually happened.

  conspiracy people of the world... unite.. .

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  Nathan Natas

  What are the symptoms of Ebola?

  *Fever
  *Headache
  *Sore throat
  *Joint and muscle pain
  *Intense muscle weakness

  These symptoms will appear within 21 days after being infected, with symptoms usually occurring within 5-7 days.

  As the disease progresses, diarrhea, vomiting, a rash, stomach pain and impaired kidney and liver function follow before severe internal bleeding, and the patient may also bleed from the ears, eyes, nose or mouth.

  The ability to play golf is unaffected.
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  Do we know for sure what happens after death?

  by Yondaime in

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  2. beliefs

  christian denominations say we go to heaven, witness say we stay alseep until ressurection.

  quran says when we go we grt 72 virgins, unless we blow some people up.. .

  i'm not really concerned with death atm, i'm not dead.

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  Visit the "Body Farm," more formally known as the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility, and find out; ask for the lunchtime buffet tour.

  It ain't purdy.
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  The Finished Mystery on Amazon Kindle for 99 cents

  by airborne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i learned yesterday that the finished mystery (studies in the scriptures vii) by charles taze russell and published posthumously in 1918 is now available on amazon kindle for 99 cents.

  this is the quality spiritual food that the governing body claims is the basis for jesus appointing it as the faithful and discreet slave in 1919 according to peter gregerson in his talk on youtube.. from what i understand there are some really fantastical claims and ideas in it.

  there is no way they are appointed by god if this is the basis for the appointment.

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  GrreatTeacher inquired, "Does this mean that WT gets a portion of that 99 cents?"

  It is not without good reason that many honest-hearted lovers of Peace and Goodness ask such a question. If the WTB&TS is the "author" of this Kindle edition of The Finished Mystery, then the answer to your question is "Yes!" But is it really likely that the WTB&TS would do this? No, because The Finished Mystery lays bare the lies, trickery, deception, speculation, and fanatical expectation of early 20th century end-of-time religionists.

  The book was first published in 1919. Under US Copyright law that was in effect at that time, the book is now IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. In other words, the book is no longer the property of The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, and they cannot prevent other people - YOU for example - from re-publishing the book, thus enlightening a new generation of truth-seekers to the misology that is The Watchtower. By setting the price at 99 cents, the person behind this project demonstrates their whole-hearted desire to be of service to the community of Man.

  The worst enemies of the Watchtower are the CRAP they have put into print and the inexorable passage of relentless, mute, uncaring TIME. History demonstates that 100% of the predictions, speculations and anticipations of The Watchtower have FAILED to come to pass. A reading of Watchtower CRAP shows what superstitious bigots and liars the writers of The Watchtower were. That tradition continues unabated to this day.

  If, deep within your bones, GrreatTeacher (I'm assuming SPELLING is not what you teach) there is a speck of envy over the thousands, millions, and yes, BILLIONS of dollars to be made by writing about The Watchtower or re-publishing the public-domain CRAP from The Watchtower, you can either ask those here who have experienced un-dreamed-of prosperity and financial boon about their experience or you can give it a go yourself, striking out for the fields of diamonds that lie so close to home.

  May Mighty All-Father Odin grant you worthy foes!
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  Can I block tv.jw.org from my internet?

  by Emily24 in

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  2. friends

  my spouse and i have not been to the meetings in about 10 years.

  recently i have noticed a very very strong push from my spouse's family.

  they have been sending jw shit in the mail all the time.

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  Assuming you have a computer running some version of Windows, I *think* you can accomplish your goal by editing Wiindows 'hosts' file. This is not a trivial undertaking, and I am NOT an expert, so I will refer you to:

  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file/

  or urge you to talk with any Windows sysadmin-typr you might know. There are a few here who may comment on the validity of my suggestion.

  Let's see if anyone responds, shall we?
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  My Mom Hopes I Die Before The Great Tribulation Comes

  by minimus in

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  she told me that yesterday and i just chuckled.. .

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  As has already been said, you will, and so will everyone else, all of humanity will die before any imaginary event comes to pass.
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  Topics I’ve Been Pondering On

  by JWINQUESTION in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is my first post on here so bear with me.

  currently i am still an active jw with serious questions about the jw org.

  i was hesitant signing up but really need as much input from the people on this forum to get a clear understanding on things.

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  JWINQUESTION reasoned, "Regarding the homosexuality issue, if it were okay then why can’t two people of the same sex produce a child?"

  By that reasoning, maybe a hetero couple ought to be producing a child every nine months?

  [Chorus sings "Every Sperm Is Sacred."]

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
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  Divorcing my husband of 13 years...

  by 2pink in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my husband and i were both born ins.

  i left in 2009, and he followed me out a bit later.

  we were one of those couples who followed the script, married young and ended up having nothing in common other than the religion.

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  Hi 2Pink,

  First I am assuming that you are in the USA. If not, pay me no heed.

  I scanned the replies you have received so far, and maybe I missed it, but it seems no one has fixed on the fact that you are a stay-at-home mother with special needs children.

  Go ahead and get your divorce; you alone know your reasons and your limits. Once you are free of him, he can look to hook-up with those who think you should stay with him. Maybe they need a spin around the dance floor with him. It is bullshit to suggest that what you need is more time to get comfy in HELL. Leave!

  After the divorce, you *may* qualify for special government assistance as the caretaker of special needs children. If you do, TAKE IT! You can still continue to improve your resume - and there may well be gov't (local and/or federal) programs to help you with that.

  If Mr.2pink fails to meet his support obligations and becomes a dead-beat-dad, he may find incarceration helpful in overcoming his substance dependancies.

  I wish you luck; the Watchtower sees too it that their youth are as ill-prepared to deal with the world as possible, because IF they were successful, they might see that they DON'T NEED the Watchtower.
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  Would you go to church?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have an unspoken rule that if someone ever invites me to a church - that i haven't been to before - i will go.

  even though i'm an atheist i'm still interested in the experiance.

  just like i'm not into basketball but i would like to go to a game sometime to feel the energy of the crowd.. growing up as a jw i've never set foot in another church.

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  Why should I go to church??

  Maybe you were playing baseball and the ball went over the fence into their yard and you want your ball back.
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  Would you go to church?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have an unspoken rule that if someone ever invites me to a church - that i haven't been to before - i will go.

  even though i'm an atheist i'm still interested in the experiance.

  just like i'm not into basketball but i would like to go to a game sometime to feel the energy of the crowd.. growing up as a jw i've never set foot in another church.

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  Nathan Natas

  I went to a church a couple of days ago.

  I have a neighbor with low vision (legally blind) who wanted to attend the funeral of a friend of hers who had died. She was at a loss about how she would get there, so I volunteered to provide transportation and protective detail.

  The funeral mass was held in a Roman Catholic Church. No big deal; I was born Roman Catholic and baptized RC before I even knew my name. My plan was to dress "business casual" and to not participate in the ceremonies, recitations, etc. All in all it was a boring - very boring - three hours, but my "mission" was just to get my friend there and back with minimum stress for her.

  Before the Mass itself started there was the recitation of the Rosary. Booooorrrrriiiinnnggggg! I was unable to keep my eyes open toward the end - the chanting, over and over and over, with The Lord's Prayer in between chants! Seriously, it seemed they recited the Lord's Prayer 12 times. Jesus wept! I am sure I was actually asleep for the last couple of minutes.

  Then a brief break.

  Then the Mass. "Blah blah, blah, stand up, sit down, stand up, kneel ( I sat), stand up, sit down, stand up, kneel ( I sat) stand up, sit down. I think this exercise program was designed by Jack LaLane! Then get in line to receive communion, or, if your from another tradition but would like a blessing, just cross your arms over your chest when you approach the altar and you'll be blessed by the Priest without the offer of wine and wafer.

  The most moving thing, to me, was the eulogy for the deceased offered by her son. From what he said I realized that some people really do have good and loving mothers. She was one.

  Finally it was over. I approached the son who gave the eulogy and told him he did a great job.

  Conclusion: I'm not "church material" but I am willing to fulfill a promise made to a neighbor, just as any good atheist would do.

  There were a few things that were different from what I remember of 57 years ago: the church I went to as a child was a traditional RC church; this one was a modern RC church, built in 1985, with a scarcity of statues, staines glass that was abstract, illustrating nothing, and GIRLS as "Altarboys"and WOMEN conducting the Rosary! Petras was a rolling stone!

  ...

  A few years ago I attended the Greek festival sponsored by the local Greek Orthodox Church, and I took the Church tour. Lots of iconography and statues in that strange fake Greek Orthodox Icon perspective. A bit more interesting, and the food was GREAT! Lamb, Calamari, Spanikopita, Retsina, OPA! The food is always good at church festivals. If you are curious about a church, attend a festival and drink wine until the feeling passes.